um Place put I left the
嗯，我把充电器放在哪里了，
charger don't worry I just hit my head
不用担心，我只是撞到了头，
so
所以很
sorry I think we're good to Market if
抱歉，我认为如果
everyone's happy really let make sure
每个人都开心，我们就可以进入市场了，真的，让我们确保
phones are on silent as well especially
手机也处于静音状态，特别是
mine and hang on a second yeah that's
我的，等一下，是的
great and
，太好了
Mark I would like to look at inside
马克，我想看看
Boris Johnson's
鲍里斯·约翰逊的
head he's not who he wants to be I've
内心，他不是他想成为的人，我
always thought
一直认为，
that I don't think Boris Johnson knows
我认为鲍里斯·约翰逊不知道
who he
自己
is he's not a serious
是谁，他不是一个严肃的
person
人，
uh he's not serious this is not a man of
呃，他不是严肃的，这不是一个
conviction this is an
信念，这是一个
opportunist you sit him next to someone
机会主义者，如果你让他坐在某人的旁边，
at a dinner party and he'll be in agony
他会很痛苦，
he'll offer to give us speech or
他会提出给我们演讲或做
anything just to avoid having a onetoone
任何事情，只是为了避免一对一，
what a wimp what a spineless
真是个懦夫，真是个
coward the fact is that if he walks down
懦夫，事实上，如果他走在
a High Street people stop their cars to
大街上，人们停下车，
get out and have a selfie with him hey
下车和他合影，嘿，
chubby chubby chubby chubby chubby there
胖胖胖胖胖胖胖，
is a huge brain behind those glittering
闪闪发光的蓝眼睛后面有一个巨大的大脑，
blue eyes I I am fond of him because
我喜欢他，因为
he's a very kind person I think if
他是一个非常善良的人，我想如果
somebody makes you laugh you've give
有人让你发笑你给了
them a lot Boris stole my legacy took
他们很多鲍里斯偷走了我的遗产把
the credit for all the things I
我发起的所有事情的功劳都归功于
initiated we are all complex creatures
我们都是复杂的生物归根结底
at the end of the day the public facing
面对公众的
bit isn't always the whole story do you
部分并不总是整个故事你
know who I know
知道我是谁吗知道，
because I know a different guy than what
因为我认识一个和你想象的不一样的人
you think what are you up to Mr
你在做什么先生
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[音乐]
John this Century no one has done more
约翰这个世纪没有人比鲍里斯约翰逊
to shape the destiny of our country than
为我们国家的命运做出更多贡献
Boris Johnson oh my God it's a basty the
哦天哪这是一个糟糕
n of
的
Independence over the weekend cases of a
独立日周末一种
mysterious respiratory virus have more
神秘呼吸道病毒的病例增加了
than tripled I have I still have a
两倍多我还发烧了
temperature the biggest Tory majority
since
自
1987 we are entering the Boris Johnson
1987 年以来保守党占了最大多数英国政坛即将进入鲍里斯·约翰逊
era for British
时代
politics Ukraine will
乌克兰将
win but no one has had a bigger downfall
获胜但没有人遭遇过比他更大的失败
he enjoys life's Pleasures hugely
他非常享受生活的乐趣
Jennifer where are you I want to see you
詹妮弗，你在哪里，我想见你，
enough of this kiss me kiss me this is
够了，吻我，吻我，这是
my city and I was like no no no no was
我的城市，我当时就想，不，不，不，我
having to apologize to the queen about
要向女王道歉，关于
those parties the night before Prince
Phillip's funeral was that a moment of
菲利普亲王葬礼前一天晚上的那些派对，那是羞耻的时刻吗
Shame for
对
you Boris is the most powerful liar in
你来说鲍里斯是英国历史上最厉害的骗子
British history I don't want to forgive
我不想原谅
him what trouble is I likeing they're
他有什么麻烦我喜欢他们
going to drag your carcass out of this
要把你的尸体拖出这个
place and I can't bear to see that
地方我不忍心看到这种
happen what do you do with the problem
情况发生你会如何处理这个问题
like B
像B
a
hero or a liar why didn't you sort it
英雄还是骗子你为什么不
out foren his story is Britain's story
理清他的故事是英国的故事
he literally had the world at his feet
他真的把世界踩在脚下
and he blew it all there's in a way the
他毁了一切在某种程度上这是一个
tragedy I I think it is a tragedy you're
悲剧我认为这是一个悲剧你
not going to learn any lessons and
不会吸取任何教训，
you're not going to change you're not
你不会改变，你没有
capable of changing well I do know quite
能力改变，我知道
this is all about you in the end the
这一切都是关于你的，最终
reason these things happen is because of
这些事情发生的原因是因为
you
你，
he'll tell you himself when I want
他会告诉你我想要
something I go and I get it and I don't
某样东西，我就会去得到它，
stop until I get
直到得到它我才会停下来，
it the recklessness the
鲁莽和
brashness there's definitely a streak or
傲慢肯定有一两种表现，
two of
that and most people get really hot and
大多数人都会变得非常烦躁和
bothered you know that he is this very
烦恼，你知道他非常
very narcissistic you know
非常自恋，你知道
womanizing the reality is it comes from
追求女性的现实是它来自于
a place of insecurity and severe
一个充满不安全和严重创伤的地方，
trauma he was tremendously keen on my
他非常热衷于我
writing a life of him and then he
写他的一生，然后他
started to get cold feet and he said how
开始退缩，他说
much are you been paid to do this book
你写这本书得到了多少报酬
and I wouldn't tell him because it was a
，我不会告诉他，因为这是
very modest amount and then he started
数额很小，然后他开始
trying to buy me out and every time I
试图买下我的股份，每次我
met him he offered me more money not to
见到他，他都会给我更多的钱，让我不要
write the book he said if it's a piss
写这本书，他说如果这本书很有趣，
that's fine a comic book but he said
那就写一本漫画书吧，但他说
nothing could be more damaging than a
没有什么比一本书更有害的了
book which told the truth about
这告诉了
me Stanley you are a celebrity you can
我关于我的真相斯坦利你是一个名人你可以
get yourself out of here Stanley Johnson
离开这里斯坦利约翰逊
everybody long before boris's dad's
早在鲍里斯的父亲成为名人之前，每个人都在
celebrity
Fame
before his election to the European
当选欧洲
Parliament Stanley Johnson's grandfather
议会议员之前就成名斯坦利约翰逊的祖父
Ali Kamal was a Turkish journalist who
阿里卡迈勒是一名土耳其记者，他
was kidnapped and
被绑架了
murdered his body parts placed in a
谋杀他的身体部位被放在一棵
hollow
空心
tree Stanley's grandmother died soon
树中，斯坦利的祖母
after child birth and their son Osman
在生下孩子后不久就去世了，他们的儿子奥斯曼·
Ali was raised in England where he
阿里在英格兰长大，在那里他
changed his name to Johnny Johnson and
改名为约翰尼·约翰逊，
joined the RS
加入了 RS，
but after a plane crash left him burned
但在一次飞机失事后，他烧伤
and severely injured Johnny became an
并受了重伤，约翰尼成为了一个
alcoholic often beating his wife in
酗酒者经常在儿子斯坦利面前殴打妻子，
front of their son
Stanley to scratch a living they bought
为了谋生，他们在 xall 买了
a remote sheep farm on
一个偏远的养羊场，
xall well Stanley gave me a tour of this
斯坦利带我参观了这个
ancient stone Farm
古老的石头农场，农场
very remote no main electricity or
非常偏远，没有主电源或
anything almost
任何东西，几乎被
prisoner in this building I found Boris
囚禁在这栋楼里，我发现了鲍里斯·
Johnson's first
约翰逊的
recorded literary effort he painted on
有记载的第一部文学作品，他画在
the wall boo to
墙上，向
grown-ups Stanley met Charlotte at
成年人致意。斯坦利在牛津大学遇到了夏洛特，
Oxford
University Charlotte had Boris at 22
夏洛特22岁时生下了鲍里斯，
and four children by 29 when the couple
29岁时有了四个孩子，当时他们
moved to a cottage on the Exmore
搬到了埃克斯莫尔农场的一间小屋，当时
Farm they were both very young Charlotte
他们都很年轻，夏洛特
looked very nice she looked like uh she
看起来很漂亮她看起来呃，她
had a ponytail and long hair and a short
扎着马尾辫，长发，穿着
skirt and and and and she had a
短裙，还有，还有，她有一个
wonderful smile and she was very
很美的微笑，她很
welcoming be sometimes listen to the
热情，有时听
radio and never The Beatles they all
收音机，从不听披头士乐队，他们
could sing the beetle songs Stanley
都会唱甲壳虫的歌，
especially he could he could really sing
尤其是斯坦利，他会他真的能唱
all the songs he he liked it yeah I
所有的歌，他喜欢它，是的，我
think Charlotte was more into the
认为夏洛特更喜欢
reg Boris when I was there he was ill
reg 鲍里斯，当我在那里的时候，他病了
and it was an e problem it was quite
，这是一个电子问题，相当
severe well he was deaf until about the
严重，他直到
age of 8 he had quite a problem hearing
8 岁左右才听不见听清
what people were
别人
saying he was
说什么很困难他很
shy a an anxious
害羞，一个焦虑的
child my theory is this in order to
孩子，我的理论是，为了
compensate for that I
弥补这一点，我我我
I I I couldn't hear I could couldn't
我听不见，我
hear so I had to I had to Fain you know
听不见，所以我不得不，你知道，他
a certain ignorance of
everything he was silent he didn't talk
一切都一无所知，他保持沉默，他没有说了
much he was not in a crit mood he was
很多，他没有心情批评，他
not very he was thinking he was in
不太在意，他在想他
himself he was walking alone through the
自己，他独自一人穿过
river sometimes we went for a walk to
河流，有时我们两个人去散步，
us he took me as part of the family
他把我当作家庭的一部分，
we went up at this beautiful hilly
我们去了这里美丽的丘陵
Countryside on top of the hill we sat
乡村，在山顶上，我们
down for a rest and we were looking
坐下来休息，环顾四周，
around us and he said this yoka look at
他说，这个yoka，看看
this yoka this looks like a huge big
这个yoka，它看起来像一只巨大的
turtle don't you see
乌龟，你没看到
it he was making me understand you see
吗，他让我明白，你看到了
this is a turtle these
吗是一只乌龟，这些
patches as a look outwardly like
补丁从外表上看像
Stanley
斯坦利，
but I Insight in the character I think
但我对这个角色的洞察力，我认为
he had this lovely um sensitive artistic
他身上有这种可爱的嗯敏感的艺术
soft feeling in
柔和的感觉，
him that's mot's
这是莫特的
side I think Charlotte certainly did
一面，我认为夏洛特确实
have very very high moral standards
有非常高的道德标准，
real understanding of how you should
真正理解你应该如何
treat
对待
people Stanley is is a showman
人们斯坦利是一个表演者
tremendous sort of goetting qualities
巨大的类型的 goting 品质
dashing about all over the place extreme
奔波到处都是极端的
competitiveness the sense that the rules
竞争，感觉规则
don't apply to
不适用于
him including the rules
他，包括
of monogamous marriage he wasn't there
一夫一妻制的婚姻规则，他不在那里
many times he was he was he was uh he
很多次，他
was working and and working and staying
in London a
在伦敦工作和居住
lot rows between boris's parents begin
鲍里斯父母之间开始发生很多争吵，
to grow with Charlotte accusing Stanley
夏洛特指责斯坦利
of Serial adultery whilst away at
在外出工作时犯有连环通奸行为，而
work well sanley kept on getting
斯坦利则一直在换
different jobs sort of bouncing from one
不同的工作，从一个
thing to another sometimes fell out with
工作跳到另一个工作，有时会与
people or didn't stay very long on the
人闹翻，或者总体上呆不了多久
whole children don't like moving his
孩子不喜欢搬家，
parents moved 32
父母搬了32
times the fate of the Johnson's and that
次家，约翰逊一家的命运和
of Britain changes dramatically in
英国的命运在1973年1月发生了巨大变化，
January
1973 with the UK's decision to join the
英国决定加入
European
Community whose scope will gradually
欧洲共同体，其范围将逐渐
extend until it covers virtually the
扩大，直到几乎涵盖
whole field of collective human
集体人类生活的整个领域。
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掌声]
endeavor Stanley always dreamt of being
努力斯坦利一直梦想成为
a Tory MP and now he tries the next best
一名保守党议员，现在他尝试下一件最好的
thing moving his family to Brussels as
事情，把他的家人搬到布鲁塞尔，
he sets his sights on becoming a
他的目标是成为
conservative member of the European
欧洲议会的保守党成员，
Parliament this is Stanley is Boris
这是斯坦利，是鲍里斯，
sorry that's Bor Boris yes and and
对不起，那是鲍里斯，是的，和和
there's a rather sad
looking yes Charlotte isn't there yes
看起来很悲伤是的夏洛特不在那里是的
coping we were there in Brussels before
应对我们在他们之前在布鲁塞尔
they were Charlotte and family arrived
夏洛特和家人
in 197 three I mean we saw them quite
于 197 年抵达三我的意思是我们经常见到他们
often they came to us for meal we went
他们来找我们吃饭我们去他们
to them for meal the children were very
那里吃饭孩子们非常
young um and of course she was wor worn
年轻，当然，她很
out she looked absolutely exhausted this
疲惫，她看起来筋疲力尽，这个
poor woman did did was Stanley
可怜的女人确实
overwhelmed as well well I mean Stanley
筋疲力尽，斯坦利也不知所措，我的意思是斯坦利
was Stanley I mean he was rushing from A
就是斯坦利，我的意思是他从A赶到
to B to C to D or in one gulp over
B到C到D，或者一口气
revving a lot of the time and nothing
跑完很多时候，什么都
was enough he had to go somewhere else
不够，他必须去别的地方，
and then somewhere else fatal to anybody
然后去别的地方，这对
else who is close to him and I think
任何与他亲近的人来说都是致命的，我想
Charlotte you know she took it on the
夏洛特，你知道她一直承受着这一切，
chin all the time for so what else was
所以
she expected to do I mean she was quite
她还能期待什么呢我的意思是她很
unhappy in and in fact um she made an
不高兴，事实上，她发表了一个
announcement and it was an announcement
声明，这是一个声明，
she said I'm going back to London to go
她说我要回伦敦去参加
into the
mle because I can't stop uh washing my
mle，因为我不能停止
hands
洗手，
hands she'd been scrubbing her hands
她会一直在擦洗她的手，
they they were raw obsessive compulsive
他们很执着
behavior in
1974 Charlotte becomes an impatient at
1974 年，夏洛特患上了强迫性音乐行为，在伦敦南部的莫利精神病院里，她成了一名急躁的病人。
the Morley psychiatric hospital in South
London we actually went and visited uh
我们实际上去了
Charlotte in the morsley and we were
莫利精神病院探望夏洛特，我们
very shocked at how ill she had been and
对她病情的严重程度感到非常震惊，
to up to a point still was she was
直到现在，她仍然她
shaking but I think she was very
颤抖着，但我想她
relieved to see Sally well obviously I
看到莎莉一定松了一口气，显然我
felt really deeply sorry for her it was
对她感到非常难过，
quite obvious her life was a huge
很明显她的生活
strain I said to her anybody who's
压力很大，我对她说，任何
married to standy is bound to be
嫁给斯坦迪的人都一定会
ill I mean what she am am I right in
生病，我的意思是我
remembering that in on at least one
记得至少有
occasion he he
一次他
actually struck her well that's what she
确实打了她，她就是这么
told me love but um I can't say any more
告诉我的，但是我不能再说了，
about
that Charlotte had a profound influence
夏洛特对鲍里斯产生了深远的影响，
on
Boris she went into the Mory Hospital
她去了莫里医院
which occurred when he was only about 10
那是在他只有 10
years old and that was the separation
岁的时候，他
from his beloved
与他深爱的
mother and her suffering was really
母亲分离，她所遭受的痛苦真的非常
Agony I think he was the oldest of the
痛苦，我认为他是四个孩子中最大的一个，
four
children and then his parents got
后来他的父母
divorced his childhood was in many ways
离婚了，他的童年在很多方面都
extremely
非常
painful Charlotte spends eight months in
痛苦，夏洛特在
the morsley
莫斯利
and on her return to brussles Stanley
回到布鲁塞尔后，斯坦利
sends Boris away to public school in
把鲍里斯送到了英国的公立学校。
England
I would call myself a very traditional
我会称自己是一个非常传统的
father really traditional in the sense
父亲，非常传统的意思是，
that I had almost nothing to do with my
我几乎与我
children's
孩子的
upbringing I said look why do we have
成长无关，我说看看为什么我们
Top Class schools in this
这个国家有顶级学校吗？
country boys and men who went to
男孩和男人上
boarding school or public schools they
寄宿学校或公立学校，他们
Were Meant to fight to fight each other
注定要互相争斗
and fight themselves
，争斗
into you just accept that there are
到你只能接受
people who know things you don't know
有人知道你不知道的事情，
and so as far as I is concerned this is
所以在我看来，这是
a deliberate decision and I really
一个深思熟虑的决定，我真的
believe that the school is going to give
相信学校会给
them things I can't necessarily give
他们一些我不能给他们的东西
them
tonight's debate is on the motion that
今晚的辩论是关于
Englishmen are funnier than
英国人比
Americans distinguished members of the
美国人更有趣的议案，尊敬的各位议员
牛津
Union Englishmen are not
联盟英国人并不
funny not
好笑一点也不
funny that's right Jasper car to speak
好笑，没错贾斯珀汽车
in favor of emotions fast everything
赞成情绪快一切
it's the American ways and you got to
这是美国的方式，你必须
have everything now give me now got now
拥有一切现在给我现在
I call upon Steve Allen at Oxford Boris
我呼吁牛津的史蒂夫艾伦鲍里斯
becomes president of the Oxford Union
成为牛津联盟主席
debating
辩论
Society building up a contact list of
社建立
guest speakers encompassing world
嘉宾名单包括世界
leaders celebrities and Elites in every
领导人、名人和各行各业的精英，他
profession leing the hall with his main
与主要嘉宾一起离开大厅，
guests leaving his Deputy the librarian
留下他的副手图书管理员，为
to Pride over continuing debate among
the ordinary members of the
society armed with connections Boris
社会普通成员之间的持续辩论感到自豪，凭借关系，鲍里斯
gets a job at the times as a trainee
在当时得到了一份工作实习
reporter I met him in 1987 he was
记者，我在 1987 年遇到他，当时他正要
leaving Oxford he's really a dramatist
离开牛津，他其实是个剧作家，
he wanted to tell a story he had
他想讲述一个故事，他
absolutely no sympathy with the
factchecking mentality he just can't
事实核查的心态完全没有同情心，他只是无法
bear that Pious idea that if only you
忍受虔诚的想法，即如果你
get all the facts right then what you're
得到所有的事实都是正确的，那么什么你
saying is right he thinks you start with
说的对，他认为你从
the story who'd like to see boris's
故事开始，谁会想看看鲍里斯的
lab I reread a lot of his articles he
实验室，我重读了他的很多文章，他
wrote a lot of pieces about cars I'm the
写了很多关于汽车的文章，我是
worst drivers in a me aim for the Apex
最差的司机，我的目标是Apex
aim for the
对于
Apex I mean they don't tell you anything
Apex，我的意思是他们没有告诉你
much about qualities of the engine or
太多关于引擎品质或
anything like that but they do they do
类似的东西，但他们
somehow give you a feeling of what it's
确实让你感受到
like driving one of these
驾驶这些
cars Boris is sack by the times for
汽车的感觉，鲍里斯因
fabricating a
制造了一个
quote but he gets a job at the telegraph
但他找到了一份工作在电报社
as their Brussels
担任布鲁塞尔
correspondent where he writes a series
通讯员，他在那里写了一系列
of anti-european Articles often
反欧洲的文章，经常
ridiculing the institution that his
嘲笑他父亲所珍视的制度。
father
cherishes triviality butter mountains
黄油山
wine Lakes beef mountains all these sort
葡萄酒湖泊牛肉山所有这些
of petty details which isn't what it's
琐碎的细节，这不是
all about I'm actually talking about a
我所关心的我实际上在谈论
Europe of Enterprise initiative a spirit
欧洲企业倡议，一种
of incentive the former Brussels
激励精神，前《
correspondent of the Daily Telegraph and
每日电讯报》布鲁塞尔通讯员，现任
now its Deputy editor Boris Johnson is
副主编鲍里斯·约翰逊
with me now well Mr Johnson first of all
现在和我在一起，约翰逊先生，首先，
from your time in Brussels does it two
从你在布鲁塞尔的时间来看，这是否是二
decades of conservative government are
十年的保守主义政府已经
over Tony Blair has won a
结束，托尼·布莱尔以
landslide Boris is becoming more widely
压倒性优势获胜，鲍里斯
known for his weekly political columns
因其每周在《每日电讯报》发表的政治专栏而广为人知，
in the
telegraph
he now has four children with his second
他与第二任
wife Marina
妻子玛丽娜·
wheeler when he's chosen to become the
惠勒育有四个孩子，他被选为
new editor of the political magazine The
政治杂志《旁观者》的新编辑，
Spectator where he meets Deputy editor
在那里他会见副主编
petranella
petranella
Wy I live this very exotic sort of Life
Wy 我过着这种非常奇特的生活，
the queen mother used to come for dinner
王太后经常来吃晚饭，
a lot Margaret thato she became rather
玛格丽特，她变得
sort of motherly in a strange sort of
有点母性，但有点奇怪，
way she started ask me about boyfriends
她开始问我男朋友的事，
um she kept say take your time take your
嗯，她一直说慢慢来
time and I was introduced to the perfect
慢慢来，我被介绍给了一个完美的
boyfriend who has sat next to me and
男朋友，他坐在我旁边，
this was David
他是戴维·
Cameron there wasn't chemistry between
卡梅伦，我们之间没有什么化学反应，
us but he was a good dancer David very
但他是个好舞者，戴维，非常
good
好的
dancer I wasn't easily impressed I
舞者，我并不是很容易被打动的
suppose morning everyone now the um
大家早上好，现在是
170th anniversary issue what other
170 周年纪念版，其他
countries are doing about the Millennium
国家对千禧年做了什么，
particularly United States the answer is
特别是美国，答案是
that they're not doing anything at all
他们什么都没做
and they think we're barking
，他们认为我们
mad I was very annoyed when Boris became
疯了，当鲍里斯成为编辑时，我很生气
editor it was a small office so I was
办公室很小，所以我很
dreading it and I didn't really like him
害怕，我不太喜欢他
and I didn't like his sort of bumbling
，也不喜欢他那种笨手笨脚的
act
行为，
I said to Boris can I write some abuses
我对鲍里斯说，我能为《旁观者》写一些辱骂性的话吗？
for The Spectator and he said yes he he
他说可以
and it amused him to make me foreign
，他觉得很有趣。让我当外国
editor I was called foreign editor but I
编辑我被称为外国编辑，但我
did no editing and I never went abroad
没有做过编辑，也从未出国，
uh but what I did do was go to the uh
但我所做的就是参加
Thursday morning conference and those
周四上午的会议，这
are the most enjoyable editorial
是我参加过的最愉快的编辑
conferences I've ever been to everybody
会议，每个人都
just sat there drinking till 5: in the
坐在那里在那里喝酒直到下午5点
afternoon
he started asking me out to
他开始邀请我出去吃
lunch once you got past the 1920s
午饭，一旦你学会了20世纪20年代的
language you discovered that he was
语言，你就会发现他
deeply interested in philosophy and
对哲学、
history and serious things and we both
历史和严肃的事情非常感兴趣，我们都
loved ancient history he was fun he was
喜欢古代历史，他很
fun and he was very intelligent fingers
有趣，他很聪明，手指
on the buzzers in Greek mythology what
放在蜂鸣器上希腊神话
was the name of the king of Elis whose
伊利斯国王的名字是什么，他的
oxto housed 3,000 orus orus is right
牛棚里饲养了 3,000 头牛牛是对的
what single word refers in art to a
哪个单词在艺术中指的是
painting or sculpture depicting the
描绘
Virgin Mary holding the dead body of
圣母玛利亚抱着
Christ Ro Johnson p p is Right which
基督尸体的绘画或雕塑 Ro Johnson p p 是对的哪个
large Urban complex the interesting
大型城市综合体有趣的
thing was that he was deeply shy
是，他非常害羞，
Johnson suto Soto is Right which Hebrew
约翰逊·苏托·索托是对的，希伯来语，
look you know what they say about actors
你知道他们怎么说演员，
the shiest people become actors Boris
最害羞的人成为演员，鲍里斯，
you've buzzed in already and Boris was
你已经进来了，鲍里斯是
an actor the Bor creation was a creation
个演员，鲍里斯的创作是一种创作，
it was a
这是一种
performance roation sublimation is Right
表演旋转升华是正确的
sex and shopping is correct Diane ABT
性和购物是正确的黛安·阿伯特
did say that
确实说过
yes I know it sounds odd but for
是的我知道这听起来很奇怪但对于像
somebody like Boris somebody so
鲍里斯这样的人来说如此
garious really didn't have many friends
多才多艺的人真的没有很多朋友
I said you're a loner aren't you and he
我说你是一个孤独的人不是吗他
said yeah yes I
说是的是
am
I
我
certainly wasn't looking or hoping for
当然他没有寻找或希望
anything he had this sort of
任何东西，他有这种
vulnerability that sort of Drew you
脆弱，那种吸引你进入的脆弱，
in there was almost this sort of
Innocence to him he adored his mother
对他来说几乎是这种纯真，他崇拜他的母亲，
but he looks like his father but I think
但他长得像他的父亲，但我认为
he's more complicated than that know
他比这更复杂，知道
this this I got to say that I had a
这个这个我得说，我
tough upbring nowby and that sort of
现在的成长经历很艰难，
thing and I lived in a hole in the road
诸如此类，我住在路边的一个洞里
and when I were a nippo and I we had it
，当我还是个小矮人的时候，我们过得很
tough and you know cold for
艰难，你知道，
breakfast we're going to get out to the
早餐很冷，我们要出去
weekly spectator conference which is uh
每周的旁观者会议
in Boris Johnson's office the editor's
在鲍里斯·约翰逊的办公室里举行，编辑
office
办公室里，
tremendous um the spectator's political
旁观者的政治
correspondent is Peter oborn who
通讯员是彼得·奥本，他
witnessed is the birth of a new
见证了一种新现象的诞生，
phenomenon new labor hated talented
新工党讨厌有才华的
politicians they had constructed a
政治家，他们构建了一种
method to be dull if you weren't boring
无聊的方法，如果你不是的话
in the way you talked you got fired and
你说话的方式很无聊，你被解雇了，
the reason actually was they were
原因实际上是他们
terrified of the media because you'd
害怕媒体，因为你会
make a gaff and everybody would go
犯错，每个人都会
Bonkers except Theresa May who was this
发疯，除了本周出席的 Theresa May，
week presented I was completely wrong
我完全错了，
then by Russell and no I thought you
Russell 和没有我以为你
were
是
right boys boys you edit a
对的男孩们，你编辑一本
magazine
杂志，
he said what an enough of the editorial
他说，编辑会议已经够多了，
meetings
like put on bis not deliberately but
就像故意安排的那样，但
happen Stan it was just the right moment
斯坦，那只是个恰当的时机，
he realized that you could make a
他意识到你可以让
complete ass of yourself and actually it
自己出丑，实际上这
would do you good Paul Paul no Paul
对你有好处保罗保罗不，保罗，
Paul big brother is absolutely the right
保罗，老大哥绝对是正确的
answer and uh
答案，呃，
the did anybody say that well someone
有人这么说过吗，有人
said
说我
L
never come on team we got to get a grip
永远不要加入球队，我们必须控制住自己
[掌声]
here're they're
他们在这里
clappy with TV now giving Boris a
在电视上鼓掌，现在给鲍里斯一个
recognizable and relatable brand he
可识别和可关联品牌他
pursues a long-held dream to make it to
追求进入议会的长期梦想，
Parliament and in the 2001 general
并在 2001 年
election he stands for the safe concern
大选中代表
conservative seat of Henley let's go to
亨利的安全保守席位让我们去
Henley Janet Matthews labor
亨利珍妮特·马修斯工党
9,367 Alexander Boris Johnson
9,367 亚历山大·鲍里斯·约翰逊
conservative
保守党
20466 Boris Johnson takes that
20466 鲍里斯·约翰逊占据该
seat on the same night David Cameron is
席位同一天晚上，戴维·卡梅伦
also
也
elected but overall it's a poor night
当选了，但总的来说，这对保守党来说是一个糟糕的夜晚，
for the Tories and I think we've got to
我认为我们必须
stop and think and reflect on our
停下来思考，反思我们的
policies and reflect on our approach and
政策，反思我们的方法，
it is the darkest hour that comes before
这是最黑暗的时刻那是
Dawn so bethink thee of that it's almost
黎明前的事，所以请记住，现在快到
breakfast time
早餐时间了，
now good morning let's go back home and
早上好，我们回家
prepare for breakfast Dan he is a
准备早餐吧，丹，他是一个
genuine
真诚的
character he promised the then owner of
人，他向当时的电报所有者承诺，
the telegraph that he'd never become an
他永远不会成为
MP and he promised Henley that if he
国会议员，他向亨利承诺如果他
became an M he'd give up The Spectator
成为 M，他就会放弃《旁观者》，
and he didn't
但他也没有放弃，
either that' be 15 years where language
那是 15 年，语言
was controlled ideas were banned
被控制，思想被禁止，
everything was conformist and Along
一切都是墨守成规，而
Comes this person who makes endless gffs
这个制造无尽 gffs
liver pans have been accused by the
肝锅的人被指控
political magazine The Spectator of
政治杂志《旁观者》
wallowing in their victim status over
沉溺于
the murder of the British hostage Ken
英国人质谋杀案的受害者身份肯·
bigley Paul bigley is Paul yes what can
比格利保罗·比格利是保罗是的
I say um you a self-centered pus twit I
我能说什么嗯你是一个以自我为中心的蠢货我
didn't really think I can I can say
真的不认为我可以说
anything uh To You Paul that will
什么呃保罗，这会
um alter your opinion of me well Boris
改变你对我的看法，鲍里斯·
Johnson gets the prize as Liverpool's
约翰逊获得了利物浦
least favorite politician but where he
最不受欢迎的政治家奖，但他
may get the prize today is for the most
今天可能获得的奖项是作为
number of apologies for a politician he
政治家道歉次数最多的人，他
really hasn't stopped saying he's sorry
真的没有停止说对不起，
but not for absolutely
但没有
everything I don't want to contradict
我绝对我不想反驳
you but anyway which B aren't you sorry
你，但无论如何，你不为哪个B感到抱歉，
for well I I don't to repeat not I don't
我不想重复，我不想
apologize for the entire gist of the of
为整个社论的主旨道歉，
the editorial that's all I wanted to say
这就是我想说的
sorry I didn't want to interrupt okay
抱歉，我没有想打断一下好吗
the headlines keep coming and when
头条新闻不断出现，当
boris's affair with petronella breaks in
鲍里斯与佩特罗内拉的绯闻被小报曝光时，
the tabloids he sacked as Shadow Arts
他被
Minister by party leader Michael
党魁迈克尔解雇，担任影子艺术部长
Howard Loris are you going to save your
霍华德·洛里斯你会挽救你的
marriage do you think I'm getting k you
婚姻吗你觉得我会你
want I can't I've got they let me out
想要吗我不能我得到了他们让我出去
hell wife Marina throws him out of the
地狱妻子玛丽娜把他赶出
family home and changes the
家门并换了
locks Boris is distraught and pleads for
锁鲍里斯心烦意乱，请求
forgiveness and after 7 days she takes
原谅，7天后她把
him back The Human Condition we're all
他带回来人类的状况我们是都是
brought down by our own foibles and
因为我们自己的弱点和
failures aren't we Boris and
失败，不是吗？鲍里斯和
uh hor has got away with
呃，霍尔逃脱了
it yeah I I was blamed for
惩罚，是的，我，我被指责为
everything
everything he ended the idea that
一切，他结束了
indiscretions mattered politically if
轻率行为很重要的想法从政治上讲，如果有
anything it made you more popular more
什么不同的话，那就是它让你更受欢迎，更
authentic and so he created a new kind
真实，所以他创造了一种新的
of
Politics the first introduction I had to
政治，我第一次认识
Bry fall I actually knew him I was asked
布莱尔时，我实际上就认识他，我被要求
to go and and take notes at a meeting at
去迈克尔·霍华德办公室的一次会议上做笔记，
Michael Howard's
office two new MPS sat around the table
两位新议员
George born and David
乔治·伯恩和戴维·
Cameron and the whole discussion was
卡梅伦坐在一起讨论
about the future of the conservative
保守党的未来，
party how do we stop the members having
我们如何阻止党员
a vote and deciding who will be leader
投票决定谁将成为
of the conservative party and Bar's name
保守党领袖，巴尔的名字
came up a few
出现了
times and I
几次，我
realized that they the subtext of
意识到他们谈话的潜台词
conversation was and that would also
是，这也会
stop Bryce
阻止布莱斯
Johnson and he comes in through the
约翰逊，他从
gates of D Street look those are the
D街的大门进来，看，那些是
Ordinary People of
brookly Tony Tony they're saying
布鲁克林的普通人托尼托尼他们说着
grabbing at him the passion in their
抓住他，
faces he's there
脸上充满激情他现在在那里，
now the new labor revolution had been
新的劳工革命
such a shock to the Tories awful
对保守党产生了巨大的冲击，
election defeats since 97 we're still
自 97 年以来，保守党在选举中惨败，我们仍然
not going anywhere and if we're going to
不会去任何地方，如果我们
go if we're going to get back into power
要去，如果我们要重新掌权，
we need to change boring old men at the
我们需要改变无聊的高层的老男人
top who haven't listened to women's
不听女人的
problems which is why they haven't got
问题，这就是为什么他们还没有
elected I've heard that you're you're an
当选，我听说你是《
average fan of Little Britain I'm more
小不列颠》的普通粉丝，我更喜欢
of a fast show man I think the fast
快节奏的节目，我认为快节奏的
shows delivered better characters
节目能更好地塑造
Cameron had started to sort of make
卡梅伦开始掀起
waves referred to himself as the air to
波澜的人物形象自己作为空气对
Blair what got me initially was the fact
布莱尔最初让我感兴趣的是
that you like to Smith right well there
你喜欢史密斯，好吧，
we are we're making a good start radio
我们有一个好的开始，
head the thing about the Smith's albums
关于史密斯的专辑，
is that they then released so many I got
他们随后发行了很多，我
a call from David saying that he wanted
接到了来自大卫说他想
a run for the leadership good with the
竞选
conservative members you know isn't he
保守党领袖，你知道，他不是
the the Charming young man that
everybody would like to bring home to
每个人都想带回家给
introduce to the parents a squeaky clean
父母介绍一个干净、优雅的
polished Tory image and Boris you know
保守党形象的迷人年轻人吗？你知道，鲍里斯
was the other end of that
是光谱的另一端，
Spectrum yeah this is Boris Johnson
是的，这是鲍里斯·约翰逊，
Break One n to rubber duck do you do you
休息一号，对，小黄鸭，你
need me to
需要我
shout yeah okay Boris is very
喊一声，是的，好的，鲍里斯很有
competitive I mean strongly competitive
竞争力，我的意思是竞争力很强，
competitive with me which was
和我竞争，这是
ludicrous his father had been very
荒谬的，他的父亲一直很有
competitive he' been brought up to be
竞争力，他 “
competitive if you came home from school
如果你从学校回家
and told Stanley that you come second in
告诉斯坦利，你在比赛中获得了第二名，你就会被培养成一个有竞争力的人。”
Latin youd say why didn't you come
拉丁你会说为什么你没有
top
in 2005 Stanley runs for Parliament as
在2005年斯坦利竞选议会作为
the Tory candidate for tamebridge in
保守党候选人在
Devon well this is a wonderful
德文郡泰姆布里奇今天这是一个
opportunity to vote for myself today and
为自己投票的好机会，
that's what I'm going to do he narrowly
这就是我要做的他以微弱优势
loses out to the liberal Democrats many
输给了我认识的很多自由民主党人都
people I know voted for me because they
投票给我，因为他们
thought I was Boris and I'm perfectly
认为我是鲍里斯，我完全
sure that having not quite achieved this
相信，如果没有取得这个
particular result other challenges will
特殊的结果，其他挑战将会
present themselves and with Paul Merton
出现，今晚保罗·默顿
tonight as father of Boris John
作为鲍里斯的父亲，约翰·
Stanley follows Boris onto the media
斯坦利在媒体上关注鲍里斯
circuit and now all his political
现在，他所有的政治
Ambitions are funneled through his
野心都通过他的
eldest
son in a darwinian way there's no point
长子以达尔文主义的方式实现，
in you know any of us going into this
你知道我们进入这个
business unless we want to get as far as
行业是没有意义的，除非我们想走得尽可能远，
we can otherwise we're no good to man or
否则我们对人类或
beast we've got to we've got to want to
动物都没有好处我们必须要
compete we've got to to do as well as we
竞争，我们必须尽我们所能，
can can I go now Boris he had to prove
我现在可以走了，鲍里斯，他必须证明
something particularly with his
一些事情，特别是他的
intellect because he never thought he
智慧，因为他从来都不认为自己
was good-looking
长得好看，
if you said somebody of his generation
如果你他那一代的某个人说道
was very clever the sort of cloud would
非常聪明，云就会
sort of
descend I now declare David Cameron to
降落，我现在宣布戴维·卡梅伦
be the duly elected leader of the
是保守党的合法当选领袖，
party he and David Cameron were never of
他和戴维·卡梅伦从来都不是
friends is it true that you've always
朋友，你是否一直
felt yourself slightly intellectually
觉得自己在智力上
inferior inferior
略逊一筹，低劣
inferior no no to whom to David Cameron
低劣，不不，对谁来说，对戴维·卡梅伦来说，
well that's a new I know no it's not
这是新的，我知道，不，这不是
true this goes back to the days of
真的，这
course when he got a first and you
当然可以追溯到他获得第一名而你
didn't ah yes does that still wrankle a
没有的日子，是的，这是否仍然
bit well you know I think the it was
有点让人恼火，你知道，我认为是这样的
Furious that David Cameron got a first
at Oxford and Boris got a second this is
playground stuff you me he resented
David Cameron because of that I used to
say honestly it doesn't matter but it it
mattered to
him July 2007 I took a call from David
我很生气，因为卡梅伦在牛津大学获得了一等学位，而鲍里斯获得了二等学位，这都是玩笑，你我他因此而怨恨卡梅伦，我过去常说，说实话这并不重要，但对他来说这很重要。2007 年 7 月，我接到了大卫·
Cameron's director of
卡梅伦的
communications he said that Dave really
通讯主管，他说戴夫真的
wanted to see if I could persuade Boris
想看看我是否能说服鲍里斯
to run for me why did David Cameron
为我竞选，为什么大卫·卡梅伦
think that Boris was the right candidate
认为鲍里斯是合适的候选人，
I tell you exactly what I think David
我确切地告诉你我的想法大卫·
Cameron thought Boris was the right
卡梅伦认为鲍里斯是合适的
candidate is because he thought he was
候选人是因为他认为他
going to lose Cameron said to me you
会输的卡梅伦对我说，你
know we just want you know we want a a
知道我们只是想要一场
good fight um we don't expect you to win
精彩的战斗，嗯，我们不指望你会赢，
thank you thank you that's great thank
谢谢你，太好了，
you thank you thank you I didn't do
谢谢你，谢谢你，我读
textiles degree for nothing oh super oh
纺织学位不是白读的哦超级哦
dear there I am ah no gray hair so if
亲爱的我在那里啊没有白发所以如果
you think I've got what it takes go to
你认为我有能力去
you know register your support backb
你知道注册你的支持backb
bar.com looking into the camera backb
bar.com看着相机backb
bar.com if you believe that I can do it
bar.com如果你相信我能做到
then back what is it back bor.com sorry
那么返回它是什么返回 bor.com 对不起，
I can't remember what the hell it's
我不记得它到底
called register your support on backing
叫什么注册您的支持支持它是
what is it back Boris back I can't
什么返回鲍里斯返回我不
remember what it's called what's it
记得它叫什么它
called back Boris I think it' be fair to
叫什么返回鲍里斯我认为这是公平的
say that brand Boris where where we got
说那个品牌鲍里斯，我们一开始就把他带到了那里，
him at the
beginning you know he probably wasn't
你知道他可能
going to win so let's just start the
不会赢，所以让我们重新开始
whole thing again
整个事情，
yeah we filmed on prem's Hill for the
是的，我们在普雷姆山拍摄了
very first for launch video and he
第一个发布视频，他
arrived and quite strangely couldn't
到了，很奇怪他不能不要
tell our camera crew why he wanted to be
告诉我们的摄制组他为什么想当
mayor of London okay let's just give it
伦敦市长让我们给它
a world I want to hang on start again
一个我想坚持的世界重新开始重新
start again at the time I've been
开始当时我一直
working with David Cameron a lot and you
与戴维·卡梅伦合作，你
know David Cameron came prepared if you
知道戴维·卡梅伦已经做好了准备如果你
believe what if you believe in baked
相信如果你相信烤
beans I don't I don't know I feel like a
豆我不相信不知道我觉得自己像个
bit mean salesman good stuff running
有点卑鄙的推销员好东西
from there Boris well done it's good
从那里跑鲍里斯干得好这是好
stuff we got V anyway I'll be down there
东西我们得到了V无论如何我会在那里
for you how are you nice to meet you
等你你好很高兴见到你
hello this is all
你好这就是
the every one of these kids wants change
所有这些孩子们想要改变
go on B thank you thank
继续B谢谢你谢谢
you it was just amazing to me how
你我真是太惊讶了，
unserious and unprepared he was i' got
他是多么的不认真和没有准备，我
to be honest I just a bit worried about
必须说实话，我只是有点担心
his presentation I look terrible
他的演讲我看起来很糟糕，
yeah I really I I don't mean to hurt
是的，我真的我不是故意伤害
your feelings but I just honestly it was
你的感觉，但老实说，这与
the exact opposite of anything I'd ever
seen from any politician anywhere ever I
以前在任何政治家身上看到的任何表现都完全相反，我
don't know why you're
不知道你为什么
sniggering it's is unbelievable snigger
窃笑，这是令人难以置信的窃笑
and my vision I just thought it was a
和我的愿景，我只是认为这是一个
joke and I had I had a fun outing and I
笑话，我有度过了愉快的郊游，我
thought the thing would be over in a
以为这件事会在一个月内结束，
month literally my favorite
实际上我的我最喜欢的
word faite word I think is uh
词 faite 词我认为是呃
ctive
ctive
communative what you'll Define for us as
交流的你会为我们定义为
communative is a is a is a is a Mystic
交流的是一个是一个是一个是一个是一个神秘的
spell or incantation used calm
咒语或咒语用来平静的
flatulence
胀气
a beautiful word just carative it's a
一个美丽的词只是 carative 这是一个
beautiful word for getting elected in
美丽的词在
Henley he probably did about an hour's
亨利当选他可能大约一个小时的
campaigning because the people of Henley
竞选活动，因为亨利的人民
would vote for him in a
会
second in London Boris faces Ken
在伦敦立即投票给他，鲍里斯面对肯·
Livingston the first and only mayor the
利文斯顿，他是首都有史以来第一位也是唯一一位市长，
capital city has ever known cuz when I
因为当我
became the mayor that was Global News I
成为市长时，那是全球新闻，我的
mean
literally I but who's that on the back
意思是我，但是谁背面
That's Tony
是托尼·
Blair Ken was Mr
布莱尔肯是
London fundamental in getting the
伦敦先生，他对举办
Olympics and also London is a labor
奥运会至关重要，而且伦敦是一个劳工
City I did always think this is going to
城市，我一直认为这将
be the most difficult election of my
是我一生中最艰难的选举，
life it's very important like time my
这非常重要，
own time like Boris was a very real
就像鲍里斯一样一个非常真实的
threat I hadn't felt that about his two
威胁，我从来没有感觉到他的两位
predecessor elect
前任当选者，
do I have to
我是否必须
shout can you see
大喊大叫，你能看到
me what what do you want me to say our
我吗，你想让我说什么，我们
fear from the very beginning was Boris
从一开始就担心鲍里斯
will'll say something wrong and
会说一些错误和
inappropriate keep signing keep signing
不恰当的话，继续签署继续签名
signing signing I am signing
签署签署我签署
just well I
只是好吧，我的
mean one problem for the Boris campaign
意思是鲍里斯竞选团队面临的一个问题
is potential attacks on his personal
是对他个人生活的潜在攻击，
life to date two Affairs have been
迄今为止，媒体已经报道了两起事件，
reported in the Press with rumors of
more well I don't know I can really I
还有更多谣言，我不知道我真的
can tell you about the phone is in the
可以告诉你这款手机是
good old days of a Nokia 210 or what it
诺基亚 210 的旧款，或者
was he used to sit in his suit jacket
他过去放在西装外套
pocket and he look I I mean basically
口袋里的那种，他看起来，我的意思是基本上
was his bird phone he pull out of his
就是他的鸟手机，他从
top pocket and look at it like that just
上衣口袋里掏出它，然后这样看着它，只是
for his eyes only which of course had
为了他的眼睛当然让
some of us wondering what was on that
我们中的一些人想知道电话里有什么，
phone would um all of the candidates
嗯，所有的候选人都会把
describe themselves as men of morals I
自己描述成有道德的人，我
suspect that everybody in this room uh
怀疑这个房间里的每个人都
are is in some way a person of dubious
在某种程度上是一个道德可疑的人，
morals uh but the people want to know
但是人们想
about your sex life Boris interesting
知道你的性生活鲍里斯
though my private life may be I think
虽然我的私生活很有趣但我认为
people are even more interested mayor
人们
Livingston in your
对你
duplicity all this time are you
一直以来的口是心非更感兴趣利文斯顿市长你
embarrassed by being kicked out of the
Shadow cabinet uh for having an affair I
因为有外遇而被赶出影子内阁你感到尴尬吗我
he wasn't sacked for having Affair he
他没有因有外遇而
was sacked for lying about it no well
被解雇撒谎，不，
hang on I don't want to you're debating
等等，我不想，你在和
Boris Johnson I mean it's almost like
鲍里斯·约翰逊辩论，我的意思是，这几乎
it's not politics it's about having a
不是政治，而是
chat with a celebrity if you'd stop most
和名人聊天，如果你
people on the street and ask them about
在街上拦住大多数人，问他们关于
Bo they would have mentioned politics
博的事他们会提到政治，
they' have mentioned you know it's you
他们提到你知道，你
know these chatty
知道这些闲聊
programs that TV celebrity role of his
节目，他的电视名人角色
did create him people saw him they
确实创造了他，人们看到他，他们
thought he's very funny I'd like to go
认为他很有趣，我想
out and have a point in the pub with him
出去谈谈和他一起喝酒吧，
he charm his
他很有魅力，很有
humor I think the British public they
幽默感，我认为英国公众
liked him because they thought he was a
喜欢他是因为他们认为他有点
bit of a rogue and a
流氓和
charmer they liked him because he was a
有魅力，他们喜欢他是因为他是一个
character the British love characters yo
英国人喜欢的角色，
well done yeah well done team got a
干得好，干得好，团队得到了
register to vote
登记投票
go most people when politics would come
大多数人
on come on the TV or radio would would
在电视或广播上谈论政治时会把
turn it
音量
down interestingly anytime you know
调低，有趣的是，只要你知道
Boris are on there just image people
鲍里斯在那里，人们
would turn it
就会把音量调
up spending a few days just walking
大，花几天时间
around London with him even the people
和他一起在伦敦散步，甚至那些
who wanted to hate him were smiling when
想要恨他的人看到他时都笑了
they saw him people felt closer to him
感觉
than any other kind of politician which
比任何其他政治家都更接近他，这
is amazing political gold
是令人惊叹的政治金粉，
dust
out
good afternoon conference I I'm proud to
下午好，会议，我很自豪能
be your candidate to be mayor of the
成为你们的候选人，成为
greatest city on Earth but what gives me
地球上最伟大城市的市长，但让我
the greatest pride is that we have
最自豪的是，我们已经
provoked such gibbering squeals from the
激起了
lair of King nute and his allies that I
纽特国王及其盟友的巢穴里传来如此胡言乱语的尖叫声，我
know they are scared that we
知道他们害怕我们
conservatives are launching a fight back
保守派
in
在
London
伦敦
election
选举之
night we weren't sure if he was actually
夜发起反击，我们不确定他是否真的
convinced that he could do
相信他能做到
it can Livingstone 1,
这一点，利文斯通 1,
28,9 166
28 ,9 166
votes the party didn't think he could do
票党不认为他能做到
it Boris Johnson
鲍里斯·约翰逊
1,1
1,1
168,169 Ken was
168,169 肯是
Furious is that meant to be you red tie
愤怒的是你红色领带
better head of hair than I've got
比我现在的头发更好
now salt and
盐和
pepper and here we are here's
胡椒这里是
B it fell over and so we haven't got the
B 它倒下了，所以我们没有看到
body
身体
part I've never known a politician like
部位我以前从来没见过像鲍里斯这样的政治家
Boris before he's not really a
他不是真正的
politician he
政治家他是
celebrity that hair that face but I ha
名人那头发那脸但我
holding
it suddenly all the party were there and
突然一直抱着它派对上，
Cameron Boris was the bell of the ball
卡梅伦·鲍里斯是舞会的掌声，
well
done you know I've known Boris since I
你知道吗，我19岁当选时就认识鲍里斯了，
got elected 19
too he's one of those guys is able to
他是那种
make you laugh whil sticking the boot
能让你笑，
into you at the same time so sort of uh
同时又能踢你一脚的人时间如此之多，呃，
talented got the whole of London behind
才华横溢，得到了整个伦敦的支持，
你
know get my chair up a bit you seems to
知道，把我的椅子往上挪一点，你似乎有点像
be a kind
of if I was David Cameron I would have
如果我是戴维·卡梅伦，我
been concerned about the
会担心这种
unpredictability that was something I I
不可预测性，我
would have probably been quite happy to
可能会很高兴
see move
看到搬走
away
username yes my username Johnson it's
用户名是的我的用户名约翰逊
probably B Johnson B Johnson in him
可能是B约翰逊B约翰逊在他
moving over to become mayor the gamble
搬去当市长赌博就是
was that would be it Boris is now in
那样鲍里斯现在在
London and it's interesting to London
伦敦这对伦敦来说很有趣
but it's not interesting to anybody else
但对其他人来说并不有趣
that's it the difference was he changed
这就是区别他改变了
all of that what do you think well I
这一切吗？你觉得呢？我
think you've heard him I just want to
想你已经听到他说了，我只想
make one final
说最后一点，
point I want sorry I want to make one
对不起，我想说
final point which is relevant to this
最后一点，这与这个
area and there it is you can hear it I
领域有关，你可以听到它我
will not support in fact I will oppose a
不会支持，事实上我会反对
third Runway there is no reason it was
第三跑道没有理由是
Boris that suddenly became interesting
鲍里斯突然引起了
to the public I know I'm sorry I'm
公众的兴趣我知道我很抱歉我
interrupting a very important television
打断了反对党领袖的一次非常重要的电视
interview with the leader of the
采访
opposition the cameras couldn't take
摄像机无法将
their eyes off
目光从
him it was almost the perfect job for
他身上移开几乎是对他来说这是一份完美的工作，
him in a way because it was a Showman's
因为这是一个表演者的
job really thank you very much everybody
工作，非常感谢大家的
for coming and happy s George's day he
到来，祝圣乔治节快乐，他
was all the time building a reputation
一直在树立自己的名声，
who invented ping pong and custard
谁发明了乒乓球和蛋奶冻，
the
English didn't they and Morris johnon
英国人，他们和莫里斯·约翰没有
cry God for England card and St
哭吗上帝保佑英格兰卡和
George and if there's anything where I
圣乔治，如果我
go like too far and I realize in the
做得太过分，我意识到
moment I I might just stop you and just
此刻我可能会阻止你，只是
say look actually can we just I I'm sure
说看，实际上我们可以只是我，我确定
there won't be but just if there's
不会有，但是如果有
something that
什么事情
okay will Walden first began working
可以的话，沃尔登首先
with Boris in City Hall where he was the
在市政厅与鲍里斯合作，他是
mayor's communications director and
市长的通讯主管和
official
官方
spokesman I spent a lot of time
发言人，我花了很多时间
attempting to get the best out of Boris
试图让鲍里斯发挥出最好的一面，但
didn't always
并不总是
work Boris is a great Wordsmith he's a
奏效，鲍里斯是一位伟大的文字匠他是一个
great Craftsman he's a great
伟大的工匠他是一个伟大的
communicator Larger than Life he's
沟通者比生命更重要他是
someone who dominates a room mainly
一个主宰房间的人，主要是
because he wants to morning B
因为他想早上好 B
morning how does it feel to be there
早上好在那里感觉怎么样
Boris hello
鲍里斯你好
2008 2010 Boris was the most senior
2008 2010 鲍里斯是英国最资深的
elected conservative politician in
保守党政治家
Britain do you think you can deliver on
你认为你能兑现
all your promises Mayor Johnson can you
你所有的承诺吗市长约翰逊，
can you deliver can you deliver on the
你能兑现
Promises well there you go you've heard
承诺吗？好吧，你已经
it here live on the BBC News Channel for
在BBC新闻频道的直播中听到了，对
me fundamentally yes I worked for the
我来说，从根本上来说，是的，我为
mayor but I also worked for the Marl te
市长工作，但我也为马尔工作，
it was my job to help sell London that
我的工作是帮助推销伦敦，这
wasn't always the easiest thing to do
with Boris because he would like to sell
对鲍里斯来说并不总是最容易的事情，因为他也想
a bit of himself as well here here in
在市政厅推销自己，
City Hall
Mr Will
威尔史密斯先生，
Smith hey
hey Boris was the salesman for London it
嘿嘿，鲍里斯是伦敦的推销员，
was his City Mr Mayor who are your
是他的城市市长先生除了伯里克利之外，你
biggest
最大的
Inspirations you mean apart from
灵感是什么？
Pericles I got it Aristotle Aristotle
我明白了亚里士多德亚里士多德
that's funny Aristotle is one of mine
很有趣亚里士多德是我的灵感来源之一，那么
well is he one of yours Aristotle
他是你的灵感来源之一吗？亚里士多德
Aristotle's big Z we got a lot in common
亚里士多德的大Z我们有很多
man I think it was all very deliberate
共同点我认为这一切都是故意的，
it was all very part of the borish stick
都是博里什棒的一部分，
and I think his argument was well you
我认为他的论点是，你
know we're getting coverage I'm the
知道我们正在得到报道，我是
mayor of London we're getting
伦敦市长，我们正在得到
coverage get that microphone out the
报道，把麦克风拿开，很
way clearly this monstrously confident
明显，这是可怕的自信的
ego okay ready okay words he's an
自我，好的，准备好了，好的，他是一个
extraordinary complicated
非常复杂的
character capable of immense personal
人物，能够表现出极大的个人
kindness
仁慈，
I've been the beneficiary of of that at
我有时受益于这一点，
times but at the same time he's
但与此同时，他也有
immensely
很大的
flawed it was if a pop star had appeared
缺陷，就好像今天一位流行歌星出现
in southeast London today autograph
在伦敦东南部，签名
photos and more can you prend to light
照片和你能不能多给
me for two
我点两
seconds more than two seconds thank you
秒钟，超过两秒，谢谢你，
excuse me turn my phone number if you
对不起，如果你愿意的话，请转我的电话号码，
want mate you I it was amazed the
我很惊讶有
quantity of women who would actually
这么多的女人
throw them themselves at him it was
会把自己扔给他，这
snagging like I don't get it you know I
就像我一样不明白，我
know I'm gay and all but I just don't
知道我是同性恋，但我不
get what what's the attraction but you
明白这有什么吸引力，但你
know my job as your mayor is to get the
知道，作为市长，我的工作是获得
funding we need to put more police out
我们需要的资金，在街上部署更多的警察，
on the streets he doesn't want to
他不明白不想
discuss his private life he doesn't
讨论他的私生活，他
think it's anybody else's business and I
认为这不是任何人别人的事，我
remember when I took the job broaching
记得当我接受这份工作并提起
the subject of his colorful past and he
他丰富多彩的过去时，他
just said to me never ask don't ever ask
对我说永远不要问，永远不要问
and I thought that was completely
，我认为这是完全
unsustainable cuz what happened if a
不可持续的，因为如果一名
journalist came with an accusation what
记者提出指控，
do you do never ask ask it's ludicrous
你会怎么做不要问，问，这太荒谬了，
he's never going to comment he said it's
他永远不会发表评论，他说这
no one's business I'm not going to
不关任何人的事，我不会
comment foris do you want to make any c
发表评论，你想
comments about your comments
对你之前的评论发表任何评论吗？
earlier you have made the front page of
你已经登上了
at least one paper all with the well
至少一份报纸的头版
dear Vanessa I don't go on about my I'm
亲爱的凡妮莎，我不想继续谈论我的，我
here to I don't want to comment about uh
在这里，我不想评论
that kind of
这种
thing I had no idea who he
事情，我不知道他
was I was 26 like I you know I was so
是谁，我当时26岁，你知道，2011年我还很
young in
年轻
2011 Boris meets Jennifer aruri a
鲍里斯在伦敦风险投资会议上遇到了詹妮弗·阿鲁里，一位
business student and Tech
商学院学生和技术
entrepreneur at a London conference for
企业家，
Venture
capitalists he was there to speak to
他当时在伦敦与这座
some of the biggest moneymen in the city
城市的一些大富豪进行交谈
and I saw the way he you know drew the
，我看到他吸引了最
sweatiest and the oldest and the
汗流浃背、最老练、最
grumpiest of men you know into this I
脾气暴躁的男人你知道我
went oh that is a talent and I just
哦，这是一种天赋，我就
walked right up to the front and said
走到前面说
you have to speak at my event and he
你必须在我的活动上发言，他说是
just yes what yes of course of course I
的，当然，当然我
can do that what you guys all right what
可以这样做，你们好，
is this event Jennifer we wanted to
詹妮弗，我们想要的是什么
create some sort of event centered
创造一些
around technology to build our own
以技术为中心的活动，以建立我们自己的
businesses and get within the same
企业，并在同一网络中建立我们自己的
network of people what you're seeing now
人脉，你现在
in Tech city is very exciting we are in
在科技城看到的情况非常令人兴奋，我们正处于
a phase where he shows up and literally
一个他出现的阶段，几乎
everyone's draw was on the floor they
每个人的吸引力都在他们
couldn't believe including mine I hate
不敢相信，包括我在内的所有人都不敢相信，我
very much uh that I can do everything to
非常讨厌呃，我可以尽一切努力
encourage Tech City and everybody who
鼓励科技城和所有
works in it to flourish the first text
在其中工作的人蓬勃发展，第一条
message Boris calling Jenifer and signed
短信鲍里斯打电话给詹妮弗并签上
his name Boris so everyone saw the
他的名字鲍里斯，所以每个人都看到了
text proceeded to tell me that I could
短信，继续告诉我
not have him in my phone as Boris
无法将他的名字记在手机里，因为鲍里斯·
Johnson they passed around a few names
约翰逊，他们传了几个名字，
and the first one I resonated with was
第一个引起我共鸣的是
Alexander the Great so there he became
亚历山大大帝，所以他变成了
Alex the great I'm am Jennifer aruri
亚历克斯大帝，我是 Jennifer Aruri，
founder of the inot remember walking
inot 的创始人，记得
from Camden and he calls me Jennifer
从卡姆登，他叫我詹妮弗，
where are you and I somewhere Tabo
你在哪里，我在塔波广场的某个地方，
Square you know stay there stay here on
你知道，呆在那里，呆在
the street I remember what I'm coming to
街上，我记住我
you right now I I want to see you so I
现在要去找你，我想见你，所以我
crossed the street and went to the hotel
过马路去了酒店
and he was on the TV and I was like this
，他在电视上，我觉得这
is so weird you know doing some Olympic
太奇怪了，你知道做一些奥运的
thing this is the completion of the most
事情，这是完成
wonderful V Dr can I tell you there's a
最棒的 V 博士，我可以告诉你一个
secret it is rubbed with rubab it is
秘密，它是用 rubab 摩擦的，它是
lovingly rubbed with rubab the whole of
用 rubab 精心摩擦的，
the exterior of this building is
这栋建筑的整个外部都是
lovingly rubbed with rubab and therefore
用 rubab 精心摩擦的，因此
I order a pint see him coming up into
我点了一品脱啤酒，看到他走进
the entrance and he's got his helmet on
入口，他戴着头盔，
and his bike and he's all out of breath
骑着自行车，气喘吁吁地
goes to the bar comes back and he says
去了酒吧，回来后他说
Jennifer can I have 3 10 or 3 50 please
詹妮弗，请给我3杯10英镑或3杯50英镑，
and I said what I am a student and I
我说我是学生，我
have to buy you a beer like the first
得请你喝杯啤酒我们第一次
drink we meet and you you have me buying
见面喝酒，我请
you the beer and let's wish team GB the
你喝啤酒，祝英国队
very very best of luck in
2012 and I would just remember thinking
2012 年好运，我记得当时我当时想
he obviously likes me and I did like
他显然喜欢我，我也喜欢
him we walked out of that and he thought
他，然后我们就离开了他以为
he was going to follow me back to Camden
他会跟着我回到卡姆登
I I just I was like what what girl no he
我我只是像什么女孩不他不
no it's all right it's all right and I
没关系没关系我
said no it's not all right you're not
说不没关系你不会
coming back with my three roommates and
和我的三个室友一起回来并且
cammed it it's like I don't mind I I
拍摄它就像我不介意我
said but I do this is London's moment I
说但我确实这是伦敦的时刻我
Am a Man I'm a heterosexual man just
是一个男人我是一个异性恋男人
like any other man the audacity you just
就像其他男人一样大胆你就
comes to me kiss me kiss me this is my
向我走来吻我吻我这是我的
city
城市
London I don't care what city this is
伦敦我不在乎这是哪个城市
I'm not kissing you on the street he was
我不会吻你在街上，他
like you're a very interesting woman
就像你是一个非常有趣的女人
Jennifer the most conservative woman
詹妮弗，我见过的最保守的女人，
I've ever met I didn't just walk off and
我没有直接走开并
delete his number I actually liked being
删除他的号码，我实际上喜欢和
around him like it was really real it
他在一起，就像这是真的，这
was really real the energy the
是真的能量是
genuine real you know where you meet
真诚的，你知道你在哪里遇到一个
someone and you're like where have you
人，你会想你
been people in City Hall from that time
去过哪里，从那时起，市政厅的人
knew who Jennifer was I think there was
就知道詹妮弗是谁，我认为
a kind of grudging respect for Jennifer
对詹妮弗有一种不情愿的尊重，
she was
她是一个
quite Dynamic businesswoman who seemed
充满活力的女商人，
to have a friendly relationship with the
似乎与市长保持友好关系，
mayor but nobody really raised any
但显然没有人提出任何
questions obviously because we didn't
问题，因为我们不
know what was going on please go
知道发生了什么请
absolutely wild and crazy for Mr Boris
为伦敦市长鲍里斯·约翰逊先生疯狂加油，
Johnson the mayor of
London thank you very much everybody uh
非常感谢大家
for coming along today I hope you're
今天的到来，我希望你们
having a uh productive uh a productive
有一个富有成效的
session and Jennifer's now going to
会议，詹妮弗现在要
instruct we now we've now got to go over
指导我们现在现在我得过去
and talk to California is that right are
和加州谈谈，对吧，
you ready to hang I'm ready to hang I'm
你准备好挂了，我准备好挂了，我
ready to hang out yeah look at that Flor
准备好挂了，是的，看看弗洛尔
is hanging
挂
out incredible possibilities of the
出了令人难以置信的
technology we should do this the whole
技术可能性，我们应该一直这样做
time in City Hall it would save a huge
在市政厅，这将节省
amount of uh amount of time and effort
大量的时间和精力，
uh but but she appeared on Merl trips
但是她出现在 Merl 旅行中，
she was typical of people that were in
她是典型的在
his orbit you would say there was
他的轨道上的人，你会说
someone in the building who wants to see
大楼里有人想见
him and we were like we not doing that
他，我们就像我们今天不这样做一样，
today that person can't and and he had a
那个人不能，而且
back door to his office and next thing
他的办公室有后门，接下来
You' know that person would be sitting
你知道那个人会坐在
in his office thank you very much
他的办公室里，非常感谢
Jennifer thank you for coming and and
詹妮弗，谢谢你来这里和我们
hanging out with us my pleasure you like
一起出去玩我很高兴你喜欢和
hanging out with us right I do I liked
我们一起出去玩，对吧我喜欢被
attention I like those
关注我喜欢那些
times that was a those are fun
时光那很有趣
memories I want to have a successful
回忆我希望奥运会取得成功，
Olympics I'm going to be judged very
人们会
much on whether we have a successful
根据奥运会是否成功来评判我，
Olympics it's going well very very well
奥运会进行得很顺利，组织得非常好，
organized what they do
他们
get me a ladder there was a lot at stake
for him he really put his political
为我准备了梯子，这对他来说意义重大，他真的把他的政治
reputation on the line it was basically
声誉岌岌可危，基本上
this is my event it's going to be great
这是我的活动，它会很棒，
I don't think underneath he had any
我不认为他内心深处有任何
genuine sense that it definitely was
真正的感觉，这肯定是
it's very difficult isn't it how can we
非常困难的，不是吗，我们如何才能
bottle
抑制
enthusiasm that's that's it's very it's
热情，这是
very hard I mean they got it harness
非常非常很难，我的意思是他们做到了，利用
that public Spirit harness that energy
公众精神，利用能量
and kindness Boris had this unique
和善良，鲍里斯有这种独特的
ability to basically make everyone feel
能力，基本上让每个人都觉得一切都会
it was going to be all right we went to
好起来，我们去了
hi par pre-event rally the May of London
伦敦五月节前的高标准集会，
microphone thank you thank you to Morris
麦克风谢谢你，谢谢你对莫里斯说他
wasn't supposed to speak he was just
不应该说话，他只是
going to come on wave and completely
来挥手，完全
unscripted he just lifted the crowd the
没有按照剧本，他只是让观众激动不已，
G counter of olympo mania is going to go
奥林匹克狂热的 G 计数器将
Z off the
超出
scale are we ready are we ready yes we
范围，我们准备好了吗，我们准备好了吗，是的，
are
I remember 880,000 people started
我记得 88 万人开始
chanting Boris Boris can we final
高呼鲍里斯·鲍里斯最后一个
question are you can we put on can we
问题是，我们能不能
put on the greatest Olympic
举办一场最伟大的
game he had some glimpse of what it
奥运会？他曾想象过
would be
like to be a Roman emperor during the
2012
2012 年
Olympics being cheered by vast crowds in
奥运会期间成为罗马皇帝的感觉，在露天剧场受到大批观众的欢呼，
amphitheater he does like the idea of of
他确实喜欢这个想法
being the Emperor Augustus pretending
作为奥古斯都皇帝，
perhaps to some Republican virtues but
也许假装具有一些共和美德，但
really wanting to be the
实际上想成为
great leader of
Rome you did rack up more medals than
罗马的伟大领袖，你获得的奖牌比
France didn't you yes and more medals
法国多，是的，
than Germany and more medals than
比德国多，比
Australia you routed the doubters and
澳大利亚多，你击溃了怀疑者，
you scattered the gloom sters and for
你驱散了阴郁的气氛，
the first time in living memory you
在人们的记忆中，你第一次
caused tube train passengers to break
让地铁乘客们
into spontaneous
自发地
conversation the glory in which he
交谈起来，他所
basted gave him an unprecedented
获得的荣耀给了他一个前所未有的
National platform that even before that
全国性平台，甚至在那之前
he hadn't had and I think it was very
他都没有过这样的平台，我认为这是非常
clear October November of 2012 that he
2012 年 10 月到 11 月，他明确表示要
was going to run for prime minister
竞选首相，
above all you brought home the truth
最重要的是，你让我明白了一个道理，
that when we put our minds to it there
只要我们下定决心，
is no limit to what Britain can
英国就能取得无限的
achieve one thing I noticed early
成就，我很早就注意到了一件事，
on for being uh surrounded with people
因为呃周围总是围满了人
all all the
time it always struck me how terribly
我一直觉得
lonely this man
这个人是多么孤独。
was
the more I saw him the more he wanted to
我越见到他，他就越想
see me more and more wherever he was you
见到我。无论他在哪里，
know he wanted me to come out to see him
他都希望我到乡下看他。他
country wanted me to take a private car
希望我带他去私家车
to see
去看
him the more I didn't see him the more
他我越没看到他
he acted out in order to see me calling
他就越是装模作样为了看到我
over and over again I'm pining to see
一遍又一遍地打电话我渴望见到
you where are you you know kind of
你你在哪里你知道那种
Manchild that still requires that Ling
男人孩子还需要
and I could see this kind of emotional
我和凌我能看出他内心的这种情感
fragility within him do you really like
脆弱，你真的喜欢
me you know he he just he'd get very
我吗，你知道，
defensive if I said I'll just go to an
如果我说我只是去参加
event with you know David Cameron
大卫·卡梅伦的活动
instead of coming to see you and he's
而不是来看你，他会变得非常防御，他
like that's bollocks don't you dare you
就像那是胡说八道，你敢吗，你
know and he would get really
知道吗，
angry after the London Olympics the
伦敦奥运会后他会非常生气，
paths of Johnson and Cameron become
约翰逊和卡梅伦的道路
fully intertwined
完全交织在一起
Cameron has been prime minister for 2
卡梅伦已经担任首相两年了，
years but clouds are
但乌云密布
forming his coalition government is
组建他的联合政府
becoming unpopular due to
因
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austerity and the established order of
紧缩政策和既定的
politics is being threatened by a new
政治秩序正受到新力量的威胁，
Force
youi you well I got I did meet I did
我确实
meet Nik
farage in a pub it was a social lunch
在一家酒吧见过尼克法拉奇，那是一次社交午餐，
yeah I mean he thought I should join the
是的，我的意思是他认为我应该加入
conservative party and I thought the
保守党，我认为
conservative party was going hopelessly
保守党正朝着
in the wrong direction we have a lot of
错误的方向前进，我们有很多
candidates who are standing for us in
候选人代表我们参加
the selection who prev Nigel farage's
选举，他们之前奈杰尔法拉奇的
independence party had spent 20 years
独立党花了 20 年的时间
campaigning to leave the European
竞选脱离
Union these Journeys go in stages as
欧盟，这些旅程分阶段进行，正如
gandi brilliantly said first they ignore
甘地巧妙地说的那样，首先他们他们忽视
you then they laugh at you then they
你，然后嘲笑你，然后
attack you and then you win well we're
攻击你，最后你赢了，我们
getting more mainstream by the day
一天比一天更主流，
aren't
不是吗，
we look I was the devil you I was the
你看，我就是魔鬼，我是
devil I mean uh you know I mean Tor MPS
魔鬼，我的意思是呃，你知道，我的意思是 Tor MPS
were told don't meet him never be
被告知不要见他，不要
photographed with him you know as if I'm
和他合影，你知道，就好像我是
some sort of dangerous Pine Piper that
某种危险的松笛手，要把这个
was going to lead them in the country to
国家引向
total
彻底的
Destruction the feeling was that all
毁灭，感觉所有
ukit voters were retired half Colonels
英国独立党选民都是
living in Wiltshire having cury for
住在威尔特郡的退休上校早餐吃咖喱，
breakfast now we had plenty of those
现在我们吃了很多
it's true but actually the real appeal
没错，但实际上
of ukip was with workingclass Britain
英国独立党的真正吸引力在于，工薪阶层
saving the country from so many coming
拯救了英国，让英国免于太多移民的侵扰，
into it saving the country let's not
拯救了国家，让我们不要
delude ourselves about this they wanted
自欺欺人，他们希望
immigration numbers cut the net
减少移民数量，
migration figure is now over three times
现在净移民数字是目标的三倍多，
your
target we decided we would use
我们决定利用
elections
选举
Insurgency he's in a whole series of
叛乱他参加了一系列
parliamentary byelections if you vote
议会补选如果你投票给
ukip you get
英国独立党你就会得到
ukip you start to take votes away from
英国独立党你就会开始从其他人手中夺走选票
other people and there was this
而且有这样一种
perception that ukip would destroy the
看法，即英国独立党会在全国舞台上一路摧毁
conservative vote
保守党的选票
BR all the
BR
way on the national stage Cameron was
you know under pressure in the meantime
你知道，卡梅伦当时压力很大，与此同时，
there's this character going around on
这个角色
what looks like a permanent campaign
似乎在进行一场永久性的活动，
getting people to laugh and smile and uh
让人们开怀大笑，就像
like
him I've now won this three times this
他一样，我已经三次赢得
GQ I am I feel like Bor
GQ 大奖，我感觉就像博尔
Bor recent review in the Wall Street
华尔街日报最近发表的
Journal quote Boris Johnson is by some
评论称，鲍里斯·约翰逊是
margin the most interesting political
figure in Britain today what a joy to
当今英国最有趣的政治人物，非常高兴
have you here thank you so much for
您能来到这里，非常感谢
joining us
加入我们，
if you looked at David Cameron and said
如果你看着戴维·卡梅伦，并
in yourself when you looked in the
在心里说，当你看着对着
mirror and say I could be David camon
镜子说我可以是大卫·卡蒙，
these are you know I think it's very
你知道，我认为这
important for politics that people
对政治来说非常重要，
should be people should feel that the
人们应该感到
top job is Coveted you know we're all
最高职位是令人垂涎的，你知道我们都
like we're all like wasps in a jam jar
像果酱罐里的黄蜂一样，
trying to trying to and compete for it
试图竞争
because only by the competition will the
因为只有通过竞争，
country be best served thank you for
国家才能得到最好的服务，感谢你们
coming to this
来到这个
table you keep winning the 2014 European
谈判桌前，你们继续赢得2014年欧洲
elections pushing the conservatives into
选举，将保守党推到
third place I think it is a political
第三位，我认为这是一场政治
earthquake we've won a national election
地震，我们赢得了全国大选
and for David Cameron that debate that
，大卫卡梅伦，
split within his party is going to
党内分裂的争论还将
continue well it's lovely to have you
继续，很高兴你能
here thank you so much for coming on
来，非常感谢你的到来，很
it's it's a joy let me try this on for
高兴让我试试这个，
side see how you like the sound of this
看看你喜欢
prime minister Boris Johnson yeah you
首相鲍里斯约翰逊的声音吗你
like the sound of that you must like the
喜欢这个声音，你一定喜欢
sound of it you must want to be prime
这个声音，你一定想当
minister no why would you get into it if
首相，不，你为什么要当首相，如果
not to I think you are a singularly
不是，我认为你是一个非常
popular politician and I think am I
受欢迎的政治家，我想我
right in saying
说得对吗？
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this one time when we sat down I was
有一次当我们坐下来的时候，我
like how do you handle the media how do
就想你怎么处理媒体
you deal with this nonsense you know and
你如何处理这些废话你知道吗，
he he laughed and he's like impeccably
他笑了，他就像无可挑剔的一样
well brilliant JY keep going Forest this
精彩JY继续前进森林这
is a bit like being the back half of a
有点像成为哑剧的后半部分
panto it is watch out take care people
小心人们
screaming there's Boris does this
尖叫着鲍里斯这样做
happened to you all the time I just
总是发生在你身上我只
remember asking him do you actually want
记得问他你真的想当首相吗
to be prime minister is that
you I think he'd be absolutely superb
我认为他绝对会成为出色的
prime minister and he would you know
首相你知道他
be the voice that
会是咆哮的声音
roared and he takes a moment well you
他会花一点时间你
know Jennifer I'm a very competitive
知道詹妮弗，我是一个非常有竞争力的
person it was like he didn't know how to
人，就像他不知道该怎么做，
but it wasn't a resounding yes of course
但这不是响亮的“是”当然
I want to be prime minister it it struck
我想成为首相，这让
me very
我感到非常
different what his life he wants to be
不同，他的生活他想成为
prime minister and I used to ask him why
首相，我曾经问过他为什么，
and I'm not sure he knew
我不确定他
himself Boris was never really good at
自己是否知道，鲍里斯从来都不擅长
talking about serious things about
谈论自己的严肃事情，
himself I think he thought that he
我想他认为他
couldn't show the sort of
不能表现出那种可以
cracks it goes back to
追溯到童年的裂痕，
childhood
best thing to do in life is to come to
最好的办法是生活中最重要的就是
terms with yourself and just be yourself
接受自己，做自己，
which I've sort of leared to do but then
这是我学到的但
I always felt
我总能感觉到
loved my parents never divorce I was
我的父母爱着我，他们从不离婚，我
never
从未被
abandoned Boris was trying to compensate
抛弃过。鲍里斯试图弥补
for a lack of Love or feeling that he
爱的缺失，或者说他觉得自己
wanted and therefore he wanted the whole
被需要的，因此他希望
world to to love him to
全世界都爱他，爱他
。
compensate after years of pressure
多年来，由于党内在
building and infighting over Europe
欧洲问题上不断升温、内斗不断，
within his party David Cameron prepares
卡梅伦准备
to announce an inout European referendum
to the British
向英国
people was a gamble on Cameron's part
人民宣布脱欧公投，这是卡梅伦的一次赌博
and I just said to him this is the
，我刚才对他说，这是
biggest thing you're ever going to do in
你一生中要做的最大的事情在
你的
life good afternoon I actually said to
生活中下午好，顺便说一下，我实际上对
Cameron by the way uh I don't see why
卡梅伦说，我不明白为什么
you need to hold the referendum now
你需要举行全民公投，现在
you've got 2 years and his answer to me
你有两年的时间，他的回答
was quite revealing he said uh no I'm
很有启发性，他说，不，我还
not prepared to uh to have Europe
没有准备好呃，让欧洲
dominate my
主导我的
legacy and I said to him but it will I
遗产，我对他说，但我
know there will be many passionate
知道未来几个月会有很多激烈的
arguments over the months
争论，
ahead those those who want to leave
那些想离开
Europe all they're offering is a risk at
欧洲的人，他们所提供的只是在
a time of uncertainty a leap in the
不确定时期的风险，一次飞跃在
dark the choice is in your hands but my
黑暗中，选择权在你手中，但我的
recommendation I believe that Britain
建议是相信
will be safer stronger and better off in
在改革后的欧盟中，英国会更安全、更强大、更幸福。
a reformed European Union thank you very
非常感谢。
much David Cameron knew how vital it was
戴维·卡梅伦知道
Boris came down on their side
鲍里斯站在他们一边有多重要。
you know I watched they worked like hell
你知道，我看到他们拼命工作，
throwing everything at Boris Boris how
把所有东西都扔给鲍里斯。鲍里斯
are you doing how are you doing are you
你怎么样了？你在做什么，你
uh is the pr going to persuade you to
呃公关会说服你
back remain today let's let's let's see
今天支持留在欧盟吗，让我们看看会
what happens at uh at the um Boris can
发生什么，呃，鲍里斯
quite often leave you with a sense that
经常会让你觉得
he is going to be on your side are you
他会站在你这边，你
still making up your mind Mr
还在做吗
Johnson it has his capacity to be able
约翰逊先生，他有能力让
to leave you certain that the last thing
你确信
you saw was right has the Prime Minister
你看到的最后一件事是正确的，首相已经
done enough to convince you for
做了足够多的事情来说服你了，对
us it isn't always the case but for all
我们来说，情况并非总是如此，但对所有
politicians that's not a bad asset to
政客来说，这并不是一件坏事资产到
have okay thanks
好的，谢谢
M
M
33 as Cameron entices Johnson towards
33 卡梅伦
rain with the offer of becoming defense
以担任国防部长的提议诱使约翰逊下雨
secretary Boris drafts two Telegraph
鲍里斯起草了两篇电讯报专栏
columns one arguing to stay in Europe
文章，一篇主张留在欧洲，
one arguing to leave everyone waits to
一篇主张离开，每个人都在等着
find out what he really
看他真正
thinks was attributed partly before
认为的是什么部分是在
struggle my name is Sonia Pernell and I
斗争之前，我的名字是索尼娅·佩内尔，我
was Boris Johnson's Deputy for the Daily
是鲍里斯·约翰逊
Telegraph in Brussels in the early
在 1990 年代初期在布鲁塞尔的《每日电讯报》的副手，
1990s I'm sorry God I promise you this
对不起上帝，我向你保证，这
has been very very tense um I I I
非常非常紧张，嗯，我
reversed fet in the middle because um it
在中间逆转了，因为嗯，
suddenly seemed it was going to be a yes
突然间似乎本来是要回答“是”，
but it is a
但答案是
no Boris Johnson been there for years as
否定的。鲍里斯·约翰逊在那里当了好几年
correspondent and had grown up in the
记者，也在这个城市长大。其中
too one of the things that was quite
一件让人很
disturbing was every day at 4:00 which
不安的事情就是，每天下午 4 点，也
was coming up to our deadline time well
就是我们截止时间，
actually a little bit past it um he he
实际上已经过了一点，嗯，他
did this thing which I eventually called
做了一件我最终称之为
the 4:00 rant he would shout abuse at
4:00 咆哮的事情，他会对
this yaka plant on on his desk and he
他桌子上的这个 yaka 植物大喊大叫，
would you know effing blind at it for
你知道，他会对它盲目地咆哮
five or 10 minutes at the top of his
五到十分钟他的
voice and at the end of it it was
声音最高，最后
suddenly stop and then you would hear
突然停止，然后你会听到
him sit down and TI HP up this kind of
他坐下来，开始
invective against the European community
对欧洲社会进行这种谩骂
and it was as if he had to work himself
，就好像他必须让自己
up into a frenzy because I believe then
陷入疯狂因为我我相信
and I still believe now that more or
，现在我仍然相信，
less in Broad picture is he supports the
从总体上看，他或多或少支持
European project it's something that he
欧洲计划，这是他
had to kind of work up this bile this
必须发泄的愤怒，而这种
Fury which didn't really
愤怒实际上并不
exist and I mean those pieces he wrote
存在，我的意思是，他写的那些文章
were unbelievably influential but they
具有令人难以置信的影响力但它们
were based on
nothing everything I wrote from Brussels
毫无根据，我在布鲁塞尔写的一切，
I was just chucking these rocks Over the
我只是把这些石头扔过
Garden Wall I listen to this amazing
花园的围墙，我听到
Crash from the greenhouse next door Mr
隔壁温室里传来惊人的撞击声，
Johnson will you be voting in or out of
约翰逊先生，你会投票加入还是退出
Europe how are
欧洲，
you I I wrote we having this amazing
你好吗，我写道，我们有这
explosive effect on the Tory party and
对保守党产生了惊人的爆炸性影响，
it really gave me this I
这确实给了我一种
suppose rather weird sense of of
相当奇怪的
power is Britain better off in or out of
权力感，即英国留在欧洲还是脱离
Europe I was the only person with him
欧洲更好，在他离开之前的三个小时内，我是他身边唯一的人，
for that three-hour period before he
stepped
outside people mistake the idea that
人们误以为
Boris because he'd written very negative
鲍里斯多年来一直
things about the EU and its institutions
对欧盟及其机构发表负面言论，这一观点
over the years was definitely going out
肯定会被人们接受，
he was genuinely mixed up about what
他真的不知道
side he was going to
自己该
choose you know he was still mayor of a
选择哪一边，你知道，他现在还是一个拥有
city of 300 languages and diverse races
300 种语言的城市的市长和不同的种族，
and yet one of the central arguments of
但 V Le 的一个核心论点
V Le was about without taking control of
是，如果不控制
immigration he had his father supporting
移民，他的父亲支持
staying
in he veered around like a shopping
留任，他像购物
trolley he was looking at both the
车一样四处转悠，他看着两根
columns he was arguing in his own head
柱子，他在脑子里争论，
he was under enormous pressure from
他承受着唐宁街
number 10 Cameron was texting him
10 号的巨大压力，卡梅伦给他发短信，给
ringing him offering him you know every
他打电话，给他提供所有
job under the sun um to try and keep him
工作，嗯，试试让他留
on board Boris I'd say to Boris watching
在船上鲍里斯我会对鲍里斯说，
to Boris I would talk to him directly I
看着鲍里斯，我会直接和他谈谈我
would say to Boris we will be safer
会对鲍里斯说，我们会更安全，
we'll be stronger we'll be better off
我们会更强大，我们会
inside the EU the pressure was
在欧盟内过得更好，压力是
relentless and clearly wasn't helping
无情的，显然
with his Clarity of thought a couple of
对他的思维清晰度没有帮助，有
times he would say to me I can't do this
几次他会对我说我不能这样做，
you know what do you think and I'd say
你知道你怎么想，我会说
I'm not making this decision for you you
我不会为你做这个决定，你
know you know what the arguments
知道你知道什么争论的焦点
everybody i' I've been coming in and out
每个人，我整个下午都进进出出，
to basically try and keep the Press
基本上是试图让
troops happy all afternoon with
新闻界人士高兴，但
absolutely nothing to say to them I was
我对他们没什么可说的，我只是
giving a top load of nonsense and
spin I said to him this is untenable
胡说八道，我对他说，这是站不住脚的，
you're going to have to say something
你必须说点什么，
there's 150 journalist parted outside
有 150 名记者分开
your house we cannot go on like this and
我们不能在你的房子外面继续这样下去，
he knew that and I think in a way he
他知道这一点，我认为在某种程度上他
kind of just didn't want to make a
只是不想做
decision but even inside the house
决定，但即使
before he stepped out he he didn't
在他走出去之前，他也没有
really quite confirm when we were going
真正确认我们什么时候正在
through it what he was going to say oh
经历这一切，他要说什么哦，我们
here we
在这里
go stay
去留
after hello hello hello good afternoon
下来你好你好你好大家下午好
everybody I I thought I better come out
我想我最好出来
and say something because I could see
讲点什么因为我可以看到
that you were all you were all in a
你们都
great in a great uh Mass here and I I
很好很好啊，弥撒在这里，我
apologize for being slow with coming
很抱歉来得太慢了，
down you know you want to ask my my
你知道你想问我
views on Europe don't you let me let me
对欧洲的看法，不是吗？让我
tell you let me tell you where I've
告诉你，我去过哪里，
where I've got to which is that I am I
我去过哪里，那是我
am I've made up my mind and I want to
已经下定了决心，我想
stress I can see that we got lots of
强调的是，我看到这里有很多
people here a huge crowd stress is not
人，人群庞大，压力不
about whether you love Europe or not I
在于你是否喜欢欧洲，
actually I love Brussels I used to live
事实上，我喜欢我曾经住过的布鲁塞尔
Brussels but there should be no
布鲁塞尔，但不应该
confusion between the wonders of Europe
混淆欧洲的奇迹、
and holidays in Europe and fantastic
欧洲的假期、美味的
food and friendships and with a
食物和友谊，以及
political project and it's my view that
政治项目，我认为
after 30 years of writing about
经过 30 年的写作，
this we have a chance actually to do
我们有机会真正
something and that's why I've decided
做点什么，这就是为什么我
after a huge amount of heart I don't
经过大量努力后决定，我
think there's anything else I can do I
认为我别无选择，我
will be advocating uh vote leave because
将倡导呃投票脱欧，因为
I want a better deal for the people of
我想为这个国家的人民争取到更好的待遇，
this country to save them money and to
为他们省钱，
Take Back Control political calculation
夺回控制权，政治盘算
look the the big battalions of the
看，争论的大军
argument are unquestionably ranged
毫无疑问是
against people uh like me we are
针对像我这样的人的，我们被
portrayed as you know crazy cracks and
描绘成你知道的疯狂裂缝和
all the rest of it B Johnson joined the
其余的 B 约翰逊在
brexit Crusade at 5 Minutes to Midnight
午夜前 5 分钟加入了脱欧运动，
but he made a he made a decision and I
但他做出了决定，我
heard the news and I was delighted thank
听到这个消息，我很高兴，
you very much thank you
非常感谢，非常感谢，
very out the door ruffle the hair gosh
出门弄乱头发，天哪，
what are you all doing here what a
你在干什么都在这里做什么真是一个
terrible surprise oh I'm supposed to be
可怕的惊喜哦我应该
speaking about this yeah um you know
谈论这个是的嗯你知道
broadly speaking I've thought long and
广义上我已经考虑了很久
hard about it I'm incredibly divided and
了我很分裂
uh let's go for the vote leave thingy
呃让我们去投票离开
let's do that but you know honestly no
让我们这样做但是你知道，说实话，没有什么
consequence don't worry about it see you
后果，不用担心，待会儿见，你们
all later knowing full well that it's a
都知道这是一个
massive
巨大的
consequence this is the moment where I
后果，我认为在这个时刻，这个
think ultimately the direction of the
country changed forever and I think the
国家的方向最终永远改变了，我认为
direction of Boris Johnson's career
鲍里斯·约翰逊的职业生涯的方向也
changed
forever
永远改变了，
although Stanley Johnson admits he once
尽管斯坦利·约翰逊承认，他曾在一次
struck his wife and broke her nose
during an altercation he says this was
争吵中殴打了妻子，打断了她的鼻子，他说这是
accidental and a one-off incident he
意外，是一次性事件，他
categorically denies any suggestions of
断然否认任何关于
domestic
家庭
violence in this context his four
暴力的说法，他的四个
children have issued a joint
孩子发表了一份联合
statement for the record we as the four
声明，供我们记录在案四个
children don't in any way recognize this
孩子根本没有意识到
characterization of our parents marriage
我们父母婚姻的这种特征，
he was a heroic father still is and what
他是一个英雄父亲，现在仍然是，
we did see firsthand was a huge and
我们亲眼看到的是他们之间巨大而
unwavering amount of affection between
坚定不移的感情。